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Jan. 15th, 2012 04:05 pm
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I've decided that I'm in love with starting fics. It's my favourite part, having some sort of prompt or genre in my head and then finally getting that fic idea. It's thrilling, working through the plot in your head getting some bits of scenes come to life and writing a complete outline.

I came to this conclusion because in the last 4 days I've done this with 3 different fics.

Unfortunately the next (actually writing) not nearly as fun. then after that (editing) even definitely less fun. I hate rereading what i've written. painful.

but I could outline fics until the cows came home (then i would outline the cows)

Date: 2012-01-15 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archaeologist-d.livejournal.com
I'm in love with finishing fics. I'll write something and then completely forget about it once it's done and out of my head.

I do understand the love of starting them, though. However, for me, the blank page is daunting!

Date: 2012-01-15 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
That is wonderful. I wish I could do that. I'm in love with the IDEA of the fic, the basic premise. Which is why I like the outline part. But the execution I'm generally never pleased with (or rather not as pleased as I am when I have the OMG SO AWESOME IDEA in my head).

I love a blank page! :D

Date: 2012-01-15 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giselleslash.livejournal.com
Oh god, this is me. (well, minus the outlining bit, I don't outline ;P) But the beginning process, the starting fic bit?? Totally me. I love starting them and thinking about what will come next but actually getting it written down? Not so good. D:

Date: 2012-01-15 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
I love starting them and thinking about what will come next but actually getting it written down? Not so good.
ahaha! yes. it's all so easy when it's just in your head. right?

Date: 2012-01-15 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-eyed-1987.livejournal.com
Yes, I really agree. I have to stop myself from starting new fics when I have more then two to finish, I have to blackmail myself by saving prompts and ideas.

Love planning, and writing random snippets. Not so much connecting it up, ending it, and editing.

Date: 2012-01-15 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
I have to stop myself from starting new fics when I have more then two to finish,

yeah. I've got three now and I'm cutting myself off. No more grande ideas until one gets posted. LOL

Date: 2012-01-15 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daiseechain.livejournal.com
Plot bunnies will insist on breeding. And on the brightside, if you ever run into a period of creative drought you can always go back to those outlines and see if anything strikes you as useful.

I get ideas, quite like the writing of individual scenes but hate outlining because it just shows up where I haven't managed to join up the plot, which unfortunately happens a lot.

And editing... is there any writer on the planet who enjoys editing? Hateful process.

Date: 2012-01-15 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaysh11.livejournal.com
*cough* I do. Love editing, that is. :) I love when I can see how it all comes together, whereas the first draft is just throwing all the words in my head on a page.

Date: 2012-01-15 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daiseechain.livejournal.com
Really? So, if we could just combine marguerite's love of outlining, my love of the actual writing, and your love of the editing into one brain, we'd be one of the world's most successful fan writers!

I think it's the part about seeing how it all comes together that stymies me. My fic so rarely actually come together until about five minutes before deadline, and then I'm left wondering what other plot holes and bad characterisation I've missed.

OTOH, I do enjoy re-reading my own fic, especially if I've had a few months at least before revisiting. Especially if I realise it was a lot better than I thought it was when I finished writing it.

Date: 2012-01-15 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
So, if we could just combine marguerite's love of outlining, my love of the actual writing, and your love of the editing into one brain, we'd be one of the world's most successful fan writers!
HA! I love that idea. :)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
And on the brightside, if you ever run into a period of creative drought you can always go back to those outlines and see if anything strikes you as useful.
I have definitely done this. Completey Outlined a fic and returned to it 8 months later and wrote it.

Date: 2012-01-15 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com
I love that too, except I rarely get to the physical outline part. I get ideas and have enormous fun breaking them down into tiny-expanding pieces of character and plot that mesh together. I suppose you could say it's a more soupy process? I generally get bored once I have worked out everything to my satisfaction though`, so little gets written. :)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
I get ideas and have enormous fun breaking them down into tiny-expanding pieces of character and plot that mesh together.

lol - that sounds like an outline to me. ;)

though um, i'm a pretty sloppy writer. :P

Date: 2012-01-16 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com
No actual physical/electronic outline; I know who what why and when, like a history, and maybe have a few clear images or scenes or lines in my head, but it rarely gets into a First A, then B, then C format. The only way I get anything done is to force myself to open a word doc or comment box and work it out as I go along.

Taking down notes for ideas is fun though! Mine tends to end up looking like a few people brainstorming over several scraps of paper, with illustrative doodles, world-building notes, dialogue fragments, and pretty lines all out of sequence. Occasional arrows linking related bits in the correct order of events. We should all scan/take pictures of our writing wip process, I want to see what everyone does. :D

re sloppiness: You seem to do well enough to me. There's a start, a middle and an end. :p

Date: 2012-01-16 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
hee! outlines FTW!

Date: 2012-01-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterstorrm.livejournal.com
I'm with your here, I get bored about half way through and new plot bunnies start to bug me to be written.

You need a ghost writer!

Date: 2012-01-16 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
You need a ghost writer!
yes!!! That would be fabulous. or a pensieve type thing that took my ideas and made them viewable to people. NO TYPING!

Date: 2012-01-15 09:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] faithwood.livejournal.com
I OUTLINE ALL THE THINGS. I use yWriter, MS Word, Notepad, notebooks, random pieces of paper, post-its, and then I print stuff and glue it all together and color code and feel so accomplished!

And then I put it away, write a short PWP and forget about my awesome outline.

D:

I want to see your cow-outlines!
Edited Date: 2012-01-15 09:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
LOL none of this surprises me.

Your outlines are longer than 90% of my fics. >.>



cow outlines are sooooo easy. Those buggers don't move much. Rabbit outlines? very difficult.

Date: 2012-01-15 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordhellebore
I am just like that too. It's so exciting - the inspiration, the possibilities, the plotting! Then comes the work . . .

It's why I have 30+ plots on my hard drive, and turning them into fics is going very slowly, while I have new ideas constantly.

Date: 2012-01-16 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
It's so exciting - the inspiration, the possibilities, the plotting!
yes yes yes!!! before you get a chance to muck it all up, it's PERFECT in your head. *g*

Date: 2012-01-15 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rane-ab.livejournal.com
I love reading about everyone's favourite parts of writing, and how different they are. :D Getting a fic started is always the worst for me. Both the actually starting to write part, and getting a beginning I like and can work from. I guess it's actually to do with both setting the tone and figuring out the arc of the story - I'm not a good enough writer to plot something complicated and then work out all the scenes separately - I need to have a goal to write towards and the rest of the scenes just fall in as a way to get there.

My favourite part of writing is hands down the porn, haha. This is my motivator (and unsurprisingly often the "goal" of a fic) - if only I can get through the difficult foreplay and rule-establishment, there is porn to be written at the end of the tunnel. ;)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
My favourite part of writing is hands down the porn, haha.
hee! I do that part to, but I almost always leave it until the last. Though that's no always a good thing!

Date: 2012-01-15 10:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obiskus
I know how that feels! I love planning fics. I tend to get a bit obsessed with the ideas I get and I have a friend with whom I've done some really epic fic-planning walks. But if/when I do get to the writing part I'm the most easily distractable person ever. So I rarely finish anything, because I need to check this fact or that word and everything has to have a good reason and gaah... I never get anything done.

I think I would like editing quite a lot, if I ever got that far. :)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
I tend to get a bit obsessed with the ideas I get and I have a friend with whom I've done some really epic fic-planning walks.
YES! me too. and well.. that's sorta the best part for me? having this idea in my head and working through it with someone to see if they can see how I can make this a fic.

It also makes writing less ~lonely.

Date: 2012-01-15 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dysonrules.livejournal.com
I'm shocked at this. SHOCKED, I SAY. I would never, ever do such a thing. Ever.

*hides 5,600 started fics*

*and the cows*
Edited Date: 2012-01-15 10:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
ahahaha! your brain never ceases to amaze me. :)

Date: 2012-01-16 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dysonrules.livejournal.com
It's AWFUL, isn't it? I have sooooo many started that just... peter out. :((((

Maybe we can make our own "please finish these fics for me" comm. XD

Date: 2012-01-16 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginger-veela.livejournal.com
Perhaps another round of Write Your Own Fic fest?

Date: 2012-01-16 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dysonrules.livejournal.com
LOL! Probably not a bad idea. XD

Date: 2012-01-15 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedcherub.livejournal.com
I've been told that I should never outline, just because of this exact same problem :(

Date: 2012-01-16 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
really? lol. I would never finish anything if I didn't get to do the funnest part!

Date: 2012-01-16 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedcherub.livejournal.com
Yeah, apparently I should just start writing and just see where it takes me. It's impossible, I need to know where A and B are so I can go from A to B!

But yeah, once I've got the story written in my head, it's pretty much all over :(

Date: 2012-01-16 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teprometo.livejournal.com
We are so opposite.

I love editing and am irritated with the rest.

Which I suppose is why I'm an editor!

Date: 2012-01-16 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marguerite-26.livejournal.com
really? ah, man. Though, I'm sure my betas wished I loved editing that much. *cough*

Date: 2012-01-16 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lettered.livejournal.com
I don't outline because I'd probably like it too much, and then I wouldn't write anything because I'd feel like I'd written what I needed to. Which is also why I hate writing endings, because often the climax is the thing I was writing toward, and once it hits I don't really care any more. But actually I usually feel that way about most things I read--even the best things I read I want to stop about 1/8th from the end; I don't want a resolution so I can feel like the story lasted forever.

But starting fics! Starting fics is fun because it's like reading a good book; you suspect that certain things will happen and you can't wait until you get there to see if they actually do, and sometimes you have to keep going and going at it because you know who dun it and want to be sure you're right/they have to hook up omg and the sex will be explosive/some other kind of climax that just gives you a happy.

I loooooooooooove editing because I'm a self-involved, pompous person and like my stories and want to read them again and again. I love thinking about what the reader will think and trying to give them the exact perfect impression, like a painting, particularly like a pointillist painting--you couldn't really see the actual image while you were making it, but later you get to stand back and look at the whole thing and say, "Brilliant! Except for that and that and that and maybe that oh shit why don't I just get another canvas I'm a hack, oh, but look at this little blue dot! This little blue dot is brilliant! It's even more brilliant than I thought it was! Actually I'm a genius! This whole thing is genius! Except for that red dot and that green dot and . . . wasn't I getting a new canvas already?!?"

I like editing other people's stuff too, because I never suffer the, "am I a hack?!?!?!" phase because it's easier to believe that other people are geniuses than that we ourselves are.

I hope you get your stories done. The world wants to share them! Er, but no pressure?

Date: 2012-01-16 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginger-veela.livejournal.com
What is this outlining of which you speak? That sounds suspiciously like Having A Plan. Or Being Organized.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabonwitch.livejournal.com
Hah. Luckily, most of my fic ideas are write-it-in-one-burst sized ideas. Very convenient, no outlining required. It's all I have an idea! I can write it now! It'll just take an hour or two, max.

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